Aug 25 13:10:31 <Procyon>    I guess we'll start.
Aug 25 13:10:40 <Skizzerz>    yay
Aug 25 13:10:45 <DrGaellon>    :)
Aug 25 13:10:46 <Rocky>    w00t
Aug 25 13:10:48 *    Skizzerz isn't bothering to post a log of this
Aug 25 13:10:51 <Procyon>    All this is is an opportunity to get together and discuss any issues that are unresolved.
Aug 25 13:10:58 <Skizzerz>    or the thursday one, for that matter
Aug 25 13:11:09 <Skizzerz>    mine needs either ech or ness >.<
Aug 25 13:11:14 *    Rocky waited an hour for this??
Aug 25 13:11:19 <Prod>    lol
Aug 25 13:11:22 <Procyon>    Before we begin, I wanted to announce an organizational change.
Aug 25 13:11:24 <Procyon>    Ness, should be here.
Aug 25 13:11:28 <Prod>    lol
Aug 25 13:11:29 <Procyon>    Lemme see if I can get him.
Aug 25 13:11:46 <Prod>    organization change, ness should be here?
Aug 25 13:12:05 <Procyon>    Well, he's part of it
Aug 25 13:12:17 <Procyon>    Seems to be afk atm.
Aug 25 13:12:30 <Procyon>    OK, well, todays meeting not withstanding,
Aug 25 13:12:48 <Procyon>    it's obvious to quite a few that echelon has not been ablt to attend all of the planned meetings.
Aug 25 13:12:59 <Procyon>    (Today's absense was planned)
Aug 25 13:13:16 <Procyon>    So, I spoke with echelon, along with sakurina,
Aug 25 13:13:40 <Procyon>    and, although the details haven't been formalize yet,
Aug 25 13:14:00 <Procyon>    Sakurina and I are going to serve as assistants within each site.
Aug 25 13:14:12 <Procyon>    Obviously, myself for SW, and Sakurina for abxy
Aug 25 13:14:23 <Procyon>    This doesn't mean anything about power or control.
Aug 25 13:14:35 <Procyon>    It simply to serve as a liason to echelon.
Aug 25 13:14:50 <Procyon>    Sakurina and I report to both echelon, and to the community.
Aug 25 13:15:19 <Procyon>    So, my presense here is in echelon's place, and anytime that he can not attend.
Aug 25 13:15:29 <Procyon>    Obviously, his input is more valuable then mine,
Aug 25 13:15:34 <Procyon>    but if I'm doing my job right,
Aug 25 13:15:56 <Procyon>    It will be as though he is here, and answers that need to come from him will in fact come, if not somewhat delayed.
Aug 25 13:16:09 <Procyon>    Either from him, or myself.
Aug 25 13:16:55 <Procyon>    This has been implemented to ensure that important events are not delayed due to anyone absense.
Aug 25 13:17:18 <Procyon>    anyone's.
Aug 25 13:17:58 <Procyon>    If I or anyone else is not doing an adequate job as an assistant, you all should feel free to communicate your concerns to echelon.
Aug 25 13:18:08 <Procyon>    I only hold this position with everyone's approval.
Aug 25 13:18:43 <Procyon>    So... that's it on that, unless anyone has any comments.
Aug 25 13:18:43 <Procyon>    ?
Aug 25 13:18:54 *    Prod agrees not to kill the messenger :)
Aug 25 13:18:57 <Procyon>    lol
Aug 25 13:19:09 <Dukeruckley>    sounds good to me
Aug 25 13:19:23 *    Rocky just wants the meeting to start
Aug 25 13:19:26 <Procyon>    The idea was to pick someone that has frequent contact with both echelon, and the community.
Aug 25 13:19:31 <Procyon>    Rocky, it started...
Aug 25 13:19:45 <DrGaellon>    Rocky, thar was the meeting. :)
Aug 25 13:19:47 <DrGaellon>    that
Aug 25 13:19:51 <Rocky>    oh
Aug 25 13:19:56 <Procyon>    Well, it's not over.
Aug 25 13:19:58 <Procyon>    Just that topic.
Aug 25 13:20:01 <DrGaellon>    :)
Aug 25 13:20:03 <Rocky>    kk
Aug 25 13:20:43 <Procyon>    OK,
Aug 25 13:20:54 <Procyon>    the floor is open to any concerns that anyone has.
Aug 25 13:20:58 <Procyon>    If there aren't any,
Aug 25 13:21:08 <Procyon>    we can have live discussions about the open topics on C.I.
Aug 25 13:21:17 <DrGaellon>    CI?
Aug 25 13:21:23 <Rocky>    comminity issues
Aug 25 13:21:27 <DrGaellon>    ok
Aug 25 13:21:50 *    Notmyhandle has joined #SW-Meeting
Aug 25 13:21:57 <Procyon>    Hey SMH
Aug 25 13:22:01 <Procyon>    ack, NMH
Aug 25 13:22:07 <Notmyhandle>    Harro
Aug 25 13:22:13 <Procyon>    OK...
Aug 25 13:22:28 <Procyon>    Just checking, Duke, Skiz... are you with us?
Aug 25 13:22:34 <Skizzerz>    yep
Aug 25 13:22:36 <Skizzerz>    kinda
Aug 25 13:22:37 <Procyon>    OK
Aug 25 13:22:56 <Skizzerz>    multitasking with my reskin atm :)
Aug 25 13:22:57 <Procyon>    Skiz, do you have any comments for us concerning the new users committee?  I know this is sudden.
Aug 25 13:22:58 <Notmyhandle>    Is Ech coming?
Aug 25 13:23:04 <Procyon>    No, he is not.
Aug 25 13:23:26 <Dukeruckley>    i'm here
Aug 25 13:23:31 <Dukeruckley>    multitasking as well
Aug 25 13:23:51 <Skizzerz>    um, we could use a few more people to help welcome other people and revert their vandalisms/tests and put the appropriate message on their talk page. Other than that, I think it's fine as of now
Aug 25 13:23:56 *    DrGaellon is multitasking too, and besides, as the new kid on the block, hasn't much to say
Aug 25 13:24:11 *    Procyon gives voice to Notmyhandle
Aug 25 13:24:27 <Skizzerz>    allow me to clarify: tests OUTSIDE of their user space or the sandbox
Aug 25 13:24:35 <Procyon>    Right
Aug 25 13:24:48 <Procyon>    Well, considering that you're talking to the core,
Aug 25 13:25:00 <Procyon>    you'll need to "advertise" outside of here to get those users.
Aug 25 13:25:07 <Notmyhandle>    Well all we need are users like DG - nonsysop volunteers
Aug 25 13:25:14 <Notmyhandle>    But yes, "recruiting" is required
Aug 25 13:25:28 <Skizzerz>    yeah
Aug 25 13:25:40 <Procyon>    I wish that in addition to the Staff Lounge, we had the "Staff Bulletin Board" or seomthing...
Aug 25 13:25:42 <Skizzerz>    I would put up an announcement, but that kinda got moved off the front page :P
Aug 25 13:26:07 <Skizzerz>    oh, and while I'm on the front page, how's the server load now?
Aug 25 13:26:18 <Notmyhandle>    Proc: You mean
Aug 25 13:26:20 <Notmyhandle>    Staff only right
Aug 25 13:26:22 <Procyon>    You'll get to ask the man himself in a minute.
Aug 25 13:26:24 <Skizzerz>    woohoo! ness ist hier
Aug 25 13:26:40 <Prod>    staff bulletin board would go on the community portal
Aug 25 13:26:43 <DrGaellon>    and I didn't really get recruited, NMH. I jumped in when I saw a need, since I know Wiki stuff
Aug 25 13:26:49 <Procyon>    NMH: No, not only for the staff.
Aug 25 13:26:54 <Notmyhandle>    oh ok
Aug 25 13:26:59 <Procyon>    NMH: But from the staff to the community.
Aug 25 13:27:08 <Notmyhandle>    DG I never said you did.  But you're a prime choice.
Aug 25 13:27:19 <Prod>    http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Community_Portal << announcements are here
Aug 25 13:27:34 <Procyon>    Prod: Are we stuck with that name?
Aug 25 13:27:45 <Prod>    why not?
Aug 25 13:27:53 *    ness has joined #SW-Meeting
Aug 25 13:27:53 <Procyon>    I dunno...
Aug 25 13:27:56 <Prod>    hey ness
Aug 25 13:28:00 <ness>    Hey everyone.
Aug 25 13:28:02 <Procyon>    I don't think that it attracts many readers.
Aug 25 13:28:08 <Procyon>    Hey ness.
Aug 25 13:28:18 <Procyon>    Hey, before you drill ness with server questions,
Aug 25 13:28:25 <Procyon>    There's another part of the announcement.
Aug 25 13:28:53 <Procyon>    ness, I told people that sakurina and I are acting as echelon's assistants in his place for abxy and SW respectively.
Aug 25 13:29:01 <Procyon>    You are also part of this shift.
Aug 25 13:29:09 <Procyon>    You are the server assistant :)
Aug 25 13:29:29 <Procyon>    If you accept at least.
Aug 25 13:29:40 <DrGaellon>    :)
Aug 25 13:30:04 <ness>    Sure, I suppose.
Aug 25 13:30:15 *    Prod wonders how that changes anything :P
Aug 25 13:30:20 <ness>    Assistant has a little unhappy connotation to it though
Aug 25 13:30:26 <ness>    I'd prefer server guy :P
Aug 25 13:30:30 <Procyon>    Prod, in all honesty, it doesn't.
Aug 25 13:30:33 <Prod>    ness is our CIO
Aug 25 13:30:39 <Prod>    er
Aug 25 13:30:41 <Prod>    CTO?
Aug 25 13:30:46 <Rocky>    ?? CEO???
Aug 25 13:30:53 <Procyon>    Prod, but the idea to to lessen the impact of echelon's unavailability
Aug 25 13:31:05 <Skizzerz>    no CTO
Aug 25 13:31:05 <Procyon>    No, not CEO
Aug 25 13:31:06 <ness>    There's no need to conceit the organization with such formal names of positions
Aug 25 13:31:11 <Rocky>    i kno
Aug 25 13:31:11 <Procyon>    CTO is more like it.
Aug 25 13:31:20 <Procyon>    But it does help.
Aug 25 13:31:28 <Procyon>    If you want to look at it that way,
Aug 25 13:31:32 <Skizzerz>    yeah, there really isn't a CEO here... besides MAYBE ech
Aug 25 13:31:34 <Procyon>    Echelon is the president of the organization,
Aug 25 13:31:39 *    Dukeruckley will just call him the goto man for servers
Aug 25 13:31:50 *    Rocky has quit (Quit: Abxy.org ~ the best gaming community anywhere ~)
Aug 25 13:31:59 *    Skizzerz is... just kinda here
Aug 25 13:32:18 *    Rocky has joined #SW-Meeting
Aug 25 13:32:26 <Procyon>    and ness is the VP of tech :)
Aug 25 13:32:37 <ness>    Echelon has called many shots, but in the past other people have also, and you'd think it'd require the authority from a president position when it did not...
Aug 25 13:32:42 *    Procyon gives channel operator status to ness
Aug 25 13:32:42 *    Procyon gives voice to Rocky
Aug 25 13:33:03 <ness>    Like I said, I'm not really for the thrown around business terms... we're better off a team than an organization
Aug 25 13:33:04 *    Rocky pressed backspace :(
Aug 25 13:33:07 <Procyon>    I'm not trying to establish a hierarchy at all.
Aug 25 13:33:26 <ness>    I know,
Aug 25 13:33:27 <Procyon>    But in an emergency, you know who to turn to.
Aug 25 13:33:41 <Prod>    hierarchies are needed to keep things running smoothly :/
Aug 25 13:33:58 <Procyon>    A little.
Aug 25 13:33:58 <DrGaellon>    though it's hard to imagine a true "emergency" arising with SW
Aug 25 13:34:05 <Procyon>    lol, you'd be surprised :)
Aug 25 13:34:14 <Procyon>    In all honesty, sakurina has the harder position.
Aug 25 13:34:20 <ness>    That would be whoever is online :P In a real emergency, you can't assume that just because someone has the name "CEO" or such that he will always be online to handle the situation, solely because he's CEO
Aug 25 13:34:22 <ness>    or server guy
Aug 25 13:34:33 <DrGaellon>    I'm an MD. I have a different definition of "emergency," Proc. :)
Aug 25 13:34:45 <Procyon>    ness, it's OK :)
Aug 25 13:34:50 <Procyon>    DrG: lol, true.
Aug 25 13:34:54 <Procyon>    OK,
Aug 25 13:34:57 <Prod>    if anyone is going to have an emergency, it'll be the server technician
Aug 25 13:35:03 <ness>    We're better off educating all people in how to deal with emergency than to keep it in a black box with a select few knowing what to do
Aug 25 13:35:15 *    Notmyhandle agrees.
Aug 25 13:35:26 <Prod>    (ness): yes, but someone has to be the "expert"
Aug 25 13:35:29 <Procyon>    ness, how can you educate people how to fix our server?
Aug 25 13:36:26 <Procyon>    Prod, is it safe to say that the Category renaming unresolved issue is resolved?
Aug 25 13:36:39 <ness>    Fixing the server is not an emergency - it's what happens when an emergency is being dealt with. And emergency encompasses more than just server problems... there are many other things that could happen
Aug 25 13:37:10 <ness>    If you'd like to discuss protocol for emergency, fixing the server would be only a part of the protocol
Aug 25 13:37:16 <ness>    or getting help ASAP with it.
Aug 25 13:37:38 <Procyon>    ness, we have to work on your accepting a position with grace :)
Aug 25 13:37:41 <Notmyhandle>    on the community portal can we move announcements to the top left?
Aug 25 13:37:53 <Prod>    (Notmyhandle): that's what i was thinking as well
Aug 25 13:38:20 <ness>    I'm just as guilty to not speak as much and to shove it down your throat in a meeting that's supposed to be progressive
Aug 25 13:38:21 <Prod>    actually
Aug 25 13:38:32 <Prod>    i'd say switch "announcements" with "ways you can help"
Aug 25 13:39:03 <ness>    But in true honesty, I think emergencies are a non-issue at the moment
Aug 25 13:39:08 <Procyon>    And if recent activity is on the front page,
Aug 25 13:39:14 <Procyon>    why do we need it in CP?
Aug 25 13:39:27 <Rocky>    yeah, but what will we repace it w/
Aug 25 13:39:28 <Prod>    i put it there because the previous content never changed
Aug 25 13:39:34 <Skizzerz>    we don't?
Aug 25 13:39:35 <Notmyhandle>    Community portal is all about collaboration
Aug 25 13:39:49 <Prod>    i'd say get rid of the "Most popular guides" from CP
Aug 25 13:39:54 <Skizzerz>    yes, but if people are smart enough to find the Community Portal, they'll know about Recent Changes
Aug 25 13:40:04 <Prod>    not really
Aug 25 13:40:11 <Prod>    CP is linked right under the main page
Aug 25 13:40:22 <Rocky>    no... not at all
Aug 25 13:40:22 <Skizzerz>    both are in the sidebar
Aug 25 13:40:40 <Prod>    recent changes is overwhelming for some people
Aug 25 13:40:45 <Skizzerz>    RC is three spots down from CP
Aug 25 13:40:49 <Prod>    they may visit once, and then leave
Aug 25 13:41:01 <Rocky>    community portal has had 15,992 views
Aug 25 13:41:02 <Skizzerz>    yeah, but too many DPLs kill the server
Aug 25 13:41:10 <Rocky>    i barely ever go there
Aug 25 13:41:15 <Procyon>    Who says we need four boxes?  Why not three?
Aug 25 13:41:21 <Prod>    balance
Aug 25 13:41:21 <Skizzerz>    or five?
Aug 25 13:41:24 <Procyon>    No,
Aug 25 13:41:27 <Rocky>    no,
Aug 25 13:41:28 <Procyon>    1 on top,
Aug 25 13:41:29 <Procyon>    2 on the bottom.
Aug 25 13:41:36 <Rocky>    4
Aug 25 13:41:36 <Procyon>    1 long one...
Aug 25 13:41:36 <Skizzerz>    [] []
Aug 25 13:41:36 <Skizzerz>    [] []
Aug 25 13:41:36 <Skizzerz>    [    ]
Aug 25 13:41:40 <Rocky>    nah
Aug 25 13:41:48 <Procyon>    I was thinking:
Aug 25 13:41:50 <Rocky>    u don't normally scroll down
Aug 25 13:41:50 <Procyon>    [    ]
Aug 25 13:41:51 <Skizzerz>    er, you know what I meant
Aug 25 13:41:52 <Procyon>    []  []
Aug 25 13:41:56 <Dukeruckley>    maybe we can replace the DPLs with a projects box?
Aug 25 13:42:02 <Skizzerz>    possibly
Aug 25 13:42:03 <Rocky>    yeah
Aug 25 13:42:03 <Procyon>    I know what Prod is thinking...
Aug 25 13:42:05 <Procyon>    (.) (.)
Aug 25 13:42:13 <Prod>    >_>
Aug 25 13:42:20 <Procyon>    lol, come on, admit it.
Aug 25 13:42:25 *    Prod kicks Procyon
Aug 25 13:42:30 <Procyon>    You're always thinking that ^_^
Aug 25 13:43:08 *    Prod updates CP
Aug 25 13:43:13 <Procyon>    lol
Aug 25 13:43:27 <Prod>    one reason CP doesn't get as many views
Aug 25 13:43:31 <Prod>    is because we don't focus on it
Aug 25 13:43:47 <Prod>    when was the last time someone said "check out the CP"
Aug 25 13:43:47 <ness>    do we really need it?
Aug 25 13:43:49 <Notmyhandle>    yeah i've never edited it
Aug 25 13:44:16 <Procyon>    I think it can serve a useful purpose if we utilize it correctly.
Aug 25 13:44:39 <ness>    Agreed... do you have anything in mind Scott?
Aug 25 13:44:51 <Notmyhandle>    If we were to "get rid of it" and redirect to the comm issue - I don't think that would be good
Aug 25 13:44:52 <ness>    By the way, Procyon == scott, me == Dany, just so you all know :)
Aug 25 13:44:58 <ness>    Scott*
Aug 25 13:44:59 <Procyon>    Well, like I as Prod earlier,
Aug 25 13:45:10 <Procyon>    Are we _stuck_ with the name Community Portal?
Aug 25 13:45:14 <Notmyhandle>    WAY too many Dan's @ SW
Aug 25 13:45:17 <Prod>    dany=dan?
Aug 25 13:45:24 <ness>    Yes
Aug 25 13:45:27 <Procyon>    Cuz really, who enters a site, and wants to visit a Community Portal?
Aug 25 13:45:29 <ness>    Brandon opts to call me Dan.
Aug 25 13:45:37 *    Prod goes by msn :)
Aug 25 13:45:37 <Procyon>    That's unlike any other site I've seen.
Aug 25 13:45:47 <Prod>    CP rearranged
Aug 25 13:45:49 <Rocky>    not me
Aug 25 13:45:52 <Procyon>    If I could rename it,
Aug 25 13:46:03 <Rocky>    watch out about the talk page
Aug 25 13:46:03 <Notmyhandle>    Announcements
Aug 25 13:46:08 <Procyon>    I might call it... "The Lounge" or something.
Aug 25 13:46:18 <Rocky>    what about the talk page??
Aug 25 13:46:19 <Procyon>    And put the Staff Lounge as the Talk page to the lounge.
Aug 25 13:46:19 <Notmyhandle>    The Wall
Aug 25 13:46:25 <Prod>    I kinda like what http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/GuildWiki:Community_Portal have done with theirs
Aug 25 13:46:32 <Dukeruckley>    procyon: i like that idea
Aug 25 13:46:32 <Procyon>    lemme see
Aug 25 13:47:26 <Procyon>    Prod, we could do so much better than that,.
Aug 25 13:47:31 <Prod>    yes
Aug 25 13:47:32 <Procyon>    Our organization ideas are good,
Aug 25 13:47:38 <Procyon>    but our content needs improvement.
Aug 25 13:47:43 <Prod>    but it has some useful "features"
Aug 25 13:47:45 <Notmyhandle>    Guys I have a great idea
Aug 25 13:47:49 <Notmyhandle>    we should have an image that spans the left side
Aug 25 13:47:55 <Notmyhandle>    and it's just a row of repeating arrows
Aug 25 13:48:00 <Notmyhandle>    so people are inclined to scroll down
Aug 25 13:48:05 <Procyon>    no
Aug 25 13:48:06 <Prod>    no....
Aug 25 13:48:06 <Notmyhandle>    Ta da!
Aug 25 13:48:08 <Notmyhandle>    ='(
Aug 25 13:48:09 <Prod>    that would be ugly
Aug 25 13:48:23 *    Garrett has joined #SW-Meeting
Aug 25 13:48:29 <Prod>    hmm
Aug 25 13:48:33 <Dukeruckley>    i think that a Lounge with talk page as staff lounge is good
Aug 25 13:48:34 *    Procyon gives channel operator status to Garrett
Aug 25 13:48:40 <Prod>    would it be possible to include a toc for the talk page on the regular page?
Aug 25 13:48:53 <Dukeruckley>    and then we can have community issues as its own page (with a talk page)
Aug 25 13:49:09 <Garrett>    Prod: no.
Aug 25 13:49:35 <Prod>    didn't think so :(
Aug 25 13:49:39 <Procyon>    hmm...
Aug 25 13:50:40 <Prod>    ci is a talk page...
Aug 25 13:50:48 <Prod>    it's meant for dicussion
Aug 25 13:50:50 <Procyon>    I'm not sure how to make cp more appealing...
Aug 25 13:50:57 <Procyon>    Unless we put a link to it on the front page.
Aug 25 13:51:04 <Rocky>    no...
Aug 25 13:51:09 <Dukeruckley>    i know that, but what i'm saying is that we can have a main page of perhaps a list of things to discuss...
Aug 25 13:51:11 <Garrett>    eh, the main page is at critical mass already. :P
Aug 25 13:51:13 <Dukeruckley>    i dunno, maybe not;
Aug 25 13:51:19 <Procyon>    No, I agree, it is.
Aug 25 13:51:26 <Rocky>    yeah
Aug 25 13:51:46 <Dukeruckley>    well, lets structure this, what do we _need_
Aug 25 13:51:48 <Procyon>    I just wish there was a bit of a site map that made CP more appealing.
Aug 25 13:51:52 <Dukeruckley>    and what do we _have_
Aug 25 13:52:36 <Procyon>    Well,
Aug 25 13:52:42 <Procyon>    this whole conversation started
Aug 25 13:52:54 <Procyon>    when Skiz said he needed to attract more people to his committee.
Aug 25 13:52:57 <Procyon>    The question became:
Aug 25 13:53:09 <Procyon>    How does he go about doing that in the most efficient manner?
Aug 25 13:53:20 <Prod>    i actually think we have enough people welcoming
Aug 25 13:53:25 <Rocky>    could we put community portal in the welcome message?
Aug 25 13:53:55 <Procyon>    We certainly could, but after the first visit, what compels them to return?
Aug 25 13:54:13 <Procyon>    OK, here's a thought.
Aug 25 13:54:38 <Procyon>    Remember how I kind of chewed out superpoweredmario about his Mario Party 6 question, and then Skiz REALLY chewed him out?
Aug 25 13:54:49 <Skizzerz>    :P
Aug 25 13:54:52 <Rocky>    yeah
Aug 25 13:54:53 <Procyon>    What if on that CP page, there was a request-for-help page?
Aug 25 13:55:12 <Procyon>    Superpoweredmario could use that to say, "Anyone who wants to help with MP6, contact me,"
Aug 25 13:55:13 <Rocky>    nice
Aug 25 13:55:18 <Skizzerz>    yeah, maybe
Aug 25 13:55:28 <Prod>    that's what the requested guides page was for, wasn't it?
Aug 25 13:55:31 <Skizzerz>    although that wasn't the reason why I chewed him out :)
Aug 25 13:55:32 <Rocky>    we need to also advertize the requested guide feature
Aug 25 13:55:33 <Procyon>    and Skiz could use it to say, "Anyone who wants to help welcome new members, contact me."
Aug 25 13:55:39 <Rocky>    lol
Aug 25 13:55:43 <Procyon>    Not preciesly...
Aug 25 13:55:50 <Prod>    oh
Aug 25 13:55:54 <Prod>    i see what you ean
Aug 25 13:55:56 <Dukeruckley>    how would we implement this though?
Aug 25 13:55:57 <Prod>    mean *
Aug 25 13:56:07 <Rocky>    have a list of admins to contact
Aug 25 13:56:13 <Procyon>    A requested guide page (which I'm not in favor of) is a way for someone to say, "I want someone ELSE to work on this FOR me."
Aug 25 13:56:15 <Notmyhandle>    by section
Aug 25 13:56:20 <Notmyhandle>    or interest
Aug 25 13:56:25 <Rocky>    proc, it's already there
Aug 25 13:56:38 <Procyon>    I know that Rocky ¬_¬
Aug 25 13:56:39 <Notmyhandle>    where?
Aug 25 13:56:50 <Procyon>    I'm still not in favor of it.
Aug 25 13:56:57 <Rocky>    dunno
Aug 25 13:57:18 <Rocky>    http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Requested_guides
Aug 25 13:57:26 <Prod>    linked from CP
Aug 25 13:57:40 <Dukeruckley>    with this bulletin idea, would we let just anyone edit it?
Aug 25 13:57:43 <Notmyhandle>    lol i don't think i've ever seen that page....
Aug 25 13:57:51 <Dukeruckley>    when SW gets bigger, that'll be a big problem i think
Aug 25 13:58:34 <Procyon>    Duke, CP could repost the page, and the page itself could be editable.
Aug 25 13:59:01 <Procyon>    Sorry... transclude.
Aug 25 13:59:06 *    You are now known as Skizzerz_Away
Aug 25 13:59:17 <Notmyhandle>    Skizz can fly?
Aug 25 13:59:18 <Rocky>    why not sysops only?
Aug 25 13:59:23 <Rocky>    xD
Aug 25 13:59:35 <Dukeruckley>    ok, but then when we have a lot of people wanting to post, what then?
Aug 25 13:59:43 <Rocky>    talk page??
Aug 25 13:59:48 <Prod>    shoutbox?
Aug 25 14:00:04 <Procyon>    Duke: I see your point...
Aug 25 14:00:14 <Procyon>    Yes! Prod, that's what I'm thinking of.
Aug 25 14:00:24 <Procyon>    You'd see the top 3 or 4 requests,
Aug 25 14:00:36 <Procyon>    and you'd have to visit the page to see them all.
Aug 25 14:00:42 <Dukeruckley>    i like that
Aug 25 14:00:55 <Prod>    we may have to make something special for that though
Aug 25 14:01:10 <Prod>    hmm
Aug 25 14:01:12 <Prod>    maybe no
Aug 25 14:01:12 <Prod>    t
Aug 25 14:01:20 <Prod>    we don't get that much vandalism right now
Aug 25 14:01:27 <Prod>    so if we transclude it to the CP page
Aug 25 14:01:32 <DrGaellon>    I know several of the Pokemon sites have shoutboxes, but they're not wikis
Aug 25 14:01:46 <Rocky>    yeah any1 could vandalise the main page now
Aug 25 14:02:14 <DrGaellon>    well, for the record, the granddaddy wiki, WikiPedia, refuses to protect their mainpage
Aug 25 14:02:17 <Procyon>    It's not predicted.
Aug 25 14:02:27 <Rocky>    it is
Aug 25 14:02:37 <Rocky>    wikipedia's main page has cascading protection
Aug 25 14:02:43 <Dukeruckley>    ok, so to clarify, what four boxes would we have for the CP?
Aug 25 14:02:59 <Rocky>    you can get past that because of the transwiki'd images on commons
Aug 25 14:03:04 <Procyon>    wtf did I type?  protected...
Aug 25 14:03:16 <Notmyhandle>    lol
Aug 25 14:03:19 <Notmyhandle>    I was wondering...
Aug 25 14:03:41 <Garrett>    WP's Main Page DOES have protection. :P
Aug 25 14:03:49 <Rocky>    i said that
Aug 25 14:04:03 <Rocky>    but commons means u can still get images on it
Aug 25 14:04:15 <Garrett>    no, they locally upload images that are being featured.
Aug 25 14:04:19 <Garrett>    they is smart. :P
Aug 25 14:04:21 <Rocky>    not always
Aug 25 14:04:26 <Rocky>    trust me
Aug 25 14:04:39 *    Garrett has teh admin powahs, anyways.
Aug 25 14:04:42 <Rocky>    quite a few times they forget
Aug 25 14:05:17 <Dukeruckley>    so for the CP we'd have:  Announcements, Collaboration of the Month, Ways you can help, and the shoutbox?
Aug 25 14:05:18 <Notmyhandle>    lol Garrett risks his adminship by vandalising the main page of Wikipedia with advertisements for SW
Aug 25 14:05:27 <Procyon>    LOL
Aug 25 14:05:30 <Rocky>    just his user opage
Aug 25 14:05:34 <DrGaellon>    LOL
Aug 25 14:05:54 <Rocky>    also, can u post myth's fc, he wants a battle on wifi
Aug 25 14:06:13 <Rocky>    and can't get an email address to post on forums
Aug 25 14:06:41 <Garrett>    abxy signup is fixed now, apparently.
Aug 25 14:06:50 <Garrett>    although this is like the third time they've said that. :P
Aug 25 14:07:34 <Rocky>    so do u need an email address still
Aug 25 14:08:24 *    Dukeruckley thinks we're off topic again :)
Aug 25 14:08:34 <Garrett>    ummm... I don't know.
Aug 25 14:08:43 <Procyon>    A little, but its OK.
Aug 25 14:08:46 <Garrett>    how can we be on topic without echelon? :P
Aug 25 14:09:00 <Notmyhandle>    BACK ON TOPIC
Aug 25 14:09:01 <Rocky>    yeah
Aug 25 14:09:11 <Procyon>    We're coming up with a lot of ideas, but not a lot of action items.
Aug 25 14:09:31 <Rocky>    so what's the topic
Aug 25 14:09:39 <Garrett>    FORUMS FORUMS FORUMS :P
Aug 25 14:09:42 <Garrett>    ahem.
Aug 25 14:09:46 *    Prod kicks Garrett
Aug 25 14:09:48 <Rocky>    ugh
Aug 25 14:09:54 *    Procyon gives channel half-operator status to Prod
Aug 25 14:09:55 <Prod>    thanks for the hops Procyon!
Aug 25 14:10:04 *    Prod has changed the topic to: Current Topic: Community Portal
Aug 25 14:10:19 <Procyon>    Can we generate any action items at this time?
Aug 25 14:10:35 <Prod>    i don't think we have a big enough community to make use of it yet
Aug 25 14:10:40 <Dukeruckley>    i agree
Aug 25 14:10:44 <Prod>    perhaps consider adding a shoutbox
Aug 25 14:10:58 <Prod>    or an inline look into the #StrategyWiki irc channel
Aug 25 14:11:03 <Procyon>    I have an idea...
Aug 25 14:11:16 <Rocky>    after an hour
Aug 25 14:11:16 <Procyon>    Skiz, you can rotate things on a page randomly, right?
Aug 25 14:11:23 <Prod>    (Procyon): not yet
Aug 25 14:11:27 <Prod>    that's a dirty hack
Aug 25 14:11:28 <Skizzerz_Away>    whazza-wha?
Aug 25 14:11:40 <Procyon>    What if people made their own request pages under a request sub-dir,
Aug 25 14:11:52 <Procyon>    then Skiz could randomly rotate those requests on the page.
Aug 25 14:12:02 *    Skizzerz_Away is away-ish... PLEASE DO NOT HILITE HIM! (that includes 'Skiz' and 'Skizz')
Aug 25 14:12:05 <Garrett>    shoutbox, eh.
Aug 25 14:12:08 <Procyon>    lol
Aug 25 14:12:17 <Prod>    i think we should try to avoid anything that invalidates the page cashe on those pages
Aug 25 14:12:38 <Skizzerz_Away>    yeah, no rotation
Aug 25 14:12:43 <Procyon>    ok
Aug 25 14:13:09 <Dukeruckley>    why don't we put up a projects box in place of the DPL for now...  until we can figure out the requests thing
Aug 25 14:13:23 <Dukeruckley>    links to Move Lists, Clean Up, and Achievements
Aug 25 14:13:35 <Dukeruckley>    that seems like a good collaborative thing to me
Aug 25 14:13:38 <Rocky>    can we have a bot do the rotating??
Aug 25 14:13:43 <Rocky>    like once a day
Aug 25 14:14:24 <Garrett>    it can be done with magic words
Aug 25 14:14:32 <Garrett>    {{CURRENTDAY}} or whatever
Aug 25 14:16:51 <Procyon>    Well,
Aug 25 14:17:01 <Procyon>    I think that we're running out of steam.
Aug 25 14:17:33 <Dukeruckley>    so no to the projects thing?
Aug 25 14:17:46 <Rocky>    i just realised, we're ranked 7,195th in the US
Aug 25 14:17:59 <Procyon>    I know, how fricken awesome is that?
Aug 25 14:18:13 <Rocky>    and 560th in new zealand
Aug 25 14:18:25 <Prod>    we used to be top 400 in NZ
Aug 25 14:18:39 <Rocky>    yeah, still good tho
Aug 25 14:18:43 <Rocky>    in top 1000
Aug 25 14:18:46 <Prod>    so
Aug 25 14:18:56 <Prod>    resolution is: do nothing for now with the CP?
Aug 25 14:18:56 <Rocky>    so...
Aug 25 14:19:08 <Prod>    or do we say yes to a shoutbox?
Aug 25 14:19:19 <Procyon>    Can the shoutbox be implemented?
Aug 25 14:19:22 <Prod>    not sure
Aug 25 14:19:23 <Dukeruckley>    if we can implement it
Aug 25 14:19:49 <Prod>    For the most part, shoutboxes are embedded into a page with inline frames or JavaScript. Many Internet forum and weblog software packages can be modified to add shoutboxes in sidebars on site pages.
Aug 25 14:20:08 *    Dukeruckley tries one more time. If we can't implement it, we should have a projects box instead to bring awareness to them
Aug 25 14:20:44 <Procyon>    Duke, you're saying on the CP page, correct?
Aug 25 14:21:07 *    Prod agrees
Aug 25 14:21:13 <Rocky>    yes
Aug 25 14:21:18 <Procyon>    I'm cool with that too
Aug 25 14:21:21 <Dukeruckley>    right
Aug 25 14:21:35 <Prod>    so, is that all for now?
Aug 25 14:21:40 <Procyon>    I don't think the recent changes is doing much good on CP if it's on the front page.
Aug 25 14:21:46 <Rocky>    just a quick question if I may?
Aug 25 14:21:53 <Prod>    i don't think it should be on the front page really
Aug 25 14:22:04 <Prod>    (Rocky): was that the question?
Aug 25 14:22:11 <Procyon>    I think for the moment, we can wrap this meeting up and continue any discussion on CI,
Aug 25 14:22:13 <Garrett>    the new and updated guides bit is rather arbitrary at the moment. :P
Aug 25 14:22:19 <Procyon>    Rocky: go ahead.
Aug 25 14:22:30 <Rocky>    should we protect all the templates on the main page?
Aug 25 14:22:32 <Prod>    more stuff to go over :P
Aug 25 14:22:39 <Procyon>    Garrett: I think the updated guides list just balances out the top guides list.
Aug 25 14:22:52 <Rocky>    and the sig templates that every1s using
Aug 25 14:22:54 <Garrett>    oh, definitely.
Aug 25 14:23:02 <Rocky>    kk, i'll do it
Aug 25 14:23:07 <Procyon>    But I would be in favor of replacing it with another list.
Aug 25 14:23:14 <Dukeruckley>    one more thing before we go
Aug 25 14:23:24 <Dukeruckley>    should we discuss another meeting time/date?
Aug 25 14:23:24 <Rocky>    kk
Aug 25 14:23:32 <Rocky>    we already have
Aug 25 14:23:39 <Rocky>    last sat of every month
Aug 25 14:23:53 <Procyon>    Yes,
Aug 25 14:23:56 <Dukeruckley>    ok, i wasn't sure if it was definite or not
Aug 25 14:24:00 <Prod>    it is
Aug 25 14:24:06 <Procyon>    the next meeting would be Sep. 29th
Aug 25 14:24:10 <Rocky>    hope so... 7PM GMT
Aug 25 14:24:15 <Procyon>    yes